> [!cite] BHL link: this entry starts at [page 94](https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/33333233) of TL-2 Vol. V > Author links: [IPNI](https://www.ipni.org/a/8988-1) LSID 8988-1, [Wikidata](https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q546079) QID Q546079 > Support pages: [[Abbreviations|abbreviations]], [[Layout key|layout key]], [[Cite TL-2|cite TL-2]] ### Author Say, Thomas (1787-1834), American naturalist, entomologist, zoologist and Quaker; energetic collector; with the Academy of Natural Sciences of Philadelphia 1822-1825; with the settlement at New Harmony, Indiana 1825-1834. **Abbreviated name**: *Say* \[standard form in IPNI: *Say*\] #### Herbarium and types [[Collection PH|PH]]. #### Bibliography and biography Barnhart 3: 218; BM 4: 1817-1818, 8: 1144; Bossert p. 351; DAB 16: 401-402; DSB 12: 132-134; Ewan ed. 1: 10, 218, 237, 253, 281, 289, 298, ed. 2: 194; ME 1: 227, 3: 650, 739 (indexes; detailed bibl. info.); PH p. 523 \[index\]; Quenstedt p. 378; SIA 7103, 7112, 7177, 7298; TL-2/3275, 3569, see W.H. Keating. #### Biofile - Allibone, S.A., Crit. dict. Engl. lit. 2: 1942-1943. 1870. - Anon., Amer. J. Sci. 27: 393-395. 1835 (obit.); Amer. malac. Union, Ann. Rep. 1957: 7-8 (note on R.I. Johnson's A visit to Thomas Say's New Harmony); Brit. Mus. gen. cat. print. books 213: 992. 1964; Natl. Cycl. Amer. Biogr. 6: 362-363. 1896; Proc. Biol. Soc. Washington 4: 98-102. 1888 (brief biogr.); Proc. Pennsylv. Acad. Sci. 29: 25, 28-31. 1955 (biogr. sketch); Who was who Amer., Hist. vol. 1607-1896: 537. 1967. - Barber, H.S., Entom. News 39: 15-20. 1928 (unrecorded journey in Mexico). - Barnhart, J.H., Mem. Torrey bot. Cl. 16: 299. 1921; Bartonia 16: 33-34. 1934 (corr. Schweinitz). - Brown, J.H., Lamb's biogr. dict. U.S. 6: 624. 1903. - Carpenter, M.M., Amer. Midl. Natural. 33(1): 90-91. 1945 (additional biogr. refs.). - Dall, W.H., Proc. Biol. Soc. Washington 4: 98-102. 1888. - Darlington, W., Reliq. Baldwin. 287, 294, 298, 301, 302, 305, 310, 313, 317, 320. 1843. - Davis, J.J., Proc. Indiana Acad. Sci. 41: 46-49. 1932 (entomologists in Indiana). - Drake, F.S., Dict. Amer. biogr. suppl. 801-802. 1872. - Earnest, E., John and Wiliam Bartram 173-174. 1940. - Elliott, C.A., Biogr. dict. Amer. Sci. 228. 1979. - Essig, E.O., History Entomology 750-756. 1931. - Fox, W.J., Entom. News 12: 110-113, 138-141, 173-177, 203-205, 233-236, 281-283, 314-316. 1901, 13: 9-12. 1902 (letters from Thomas Say to J.F. Melsheimer 1816-1825). - Gilbert, P., Comp. biogr. lit. deceased entom. 334-335. 1977. - Graustein, J.E., Thomas Nuttall 477 \[index, many entries\] 1967. - Harris, G.D., Bull. Amer. Paleont. 1(5): 273-354. 1896 (reprint of palaeontol. writings of Th. Say). - Ireland, N.O., Index to scientists of the world 538. 1962. - Jaffe, B., Men of Science in America 130-153. 1944 (biogr.). - Kingsley, J.S., Pop. Sci. Mon. 21: 687-691. 1892 (portr., brief biogr.). - Mallis, A., American entomologists 16-25. 1971. - McKelvey, S.D., Bot. expl. Trans-Miss. West. 1137. 1955 \[index\]. - Mauntel, H.W., Trans. Illinois State Acad. Sci. 27(2): 157-158. 1934 (brief sketch). - Mears, J.A., Proc. Acad. nat. Sci. Philadelphia 133: 161. 1981 (coll. PH). - Nissen, C., Zool. Buchill. 361-362. 1969. - Pennell, F.W. & J.H. Barnhart, Monogr. Acad. nat. Sci. Philadelphia 1: 618. 1935 (coll. at PH). - Sabin, J., Dict. books America 3: 566. 1870, 9: 210-211, 398. 1877, 18: 562-565. 1889. - Scudder, S.H., Psyche 6: 57-60, 121-124, 137-141, 169-172, 185-187, 297-298, 345-346, 357-358. 1891 (corr.), 8: 399-401, 411-414. 1899 (notes by T.W.Harris on Say's insects and papers). - Sterki, V., Nautilus 21: 31-34. 1907 (on Say's early conchology). - Voss, E.G., Contr. Univ. Mich. Herb. 13: 31, 40. 1978. - Webster, F.M., Entom. News 6: 1-4, 33-34, 80-81, 101-103. 1895 (biogr., portr.). - Weiss, H.B., Entom. News 64: 57-60. 1953 (on S's home at New Harmony). - Weiss, H.B. & G.M. Ziegler, J., N.Y. Entom. Soc. 35: 231-239. 1927 (the communism of T. Say); Thomas Say, early American naturalist, Springfield, Baltimore 1931, 260 p. (main biogr., further secondary refs., portr.) (rev. by T.D.A. Cockerell, Science 72: 264-265. 1931). - Wilson, J.G. & J. Fiske, Appleton's Cycl. Amer. biogr. 5: 410-411. 1888. - Youmans, W.J., Pioneers of science in America 215-222. 1896 (portr., brief biogr.). #### Note Most of Thomas Say's publications were on conchology and entomology; for collected writings see: 1. W.G. Binney, ed., Complete writings of T.S. On the conchology of the United States, New York 1858, vi, 252 p., 75 pl. 2. J.L. Le Conte, ed., The complete writings of T.S. on the entomology of North America, with a memoir of the author by Geord Ord, New York, 1859, 2 vols., 55 pl. (other eds. 1869, 1891). For botanical contributions, mostly in works by others, see e.g. the references in Ewan eds. 1 & 2, and those in the TL-2 indexes.